order of Abyssinian - Ruddy vs Snowshoe - Chocolate

[draughir Resident]

I know its not a exact math but i am trying to pull the Snowshoe - Chocolate from this pair and it pulled the ruddy instead....

New Born Kitten

Fur: Abyssinian - Ruddy
Eyes: Genesis Sunshine (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Flair
Tail: Plush
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)
Size: Normal

Version: 1.17
Owner: draughir Resident
ID: b38351f5-d34a-a779-a1f1-1c7ffbf9372e
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MOM: Ruddy Sunshine
Fur: Abyssinian - Ruddy
Eyes: Genesis Sunshine (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Plush
Ears: Mysterious
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)

DAD: I'm Sexy and I Glow It!
Fur: Snowshoe - Chocolate
Eyes: Key Lime (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Illume
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)



that dad is as followed......
? I'm Sexy and I Glow It!

? 53 days ? 2% ? 68%

?? 67% ?? 19%

Fur: Snowshoe - Chocolate
Eyes: Key Lime (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Illume
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)
Size: 48 cm (18.8 inch)

Version: 1.17
Owner: draughir Resident
ID: 60a36771-26e6-8003-ec5a-b7dd90626f7b
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MOM: Blue 3
Fur: Snowshoe - Chocolate
Eyes: Midnight Sky (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Illume
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: White (Shape: Guitar)

DAD: Jeans 3
Fur: Snowshoe - Chocolate
Eyes: Midnight Sky (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Illume
Tail: Frisky
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)


the mom is as followed.....
? Ruddy Sunshine

? 18 days ? 2% ? 67%

?? 35% ?? 16%

Fur: Abyssinian - Ruddy
Eyes: Genesis Sunshine (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Plush
Ears: Mysterious
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)
Size: 43 cm (16.9 inch)

Version: 1.17
Owner: draughir Resident
ID: fa4e8401-4b2d-4465-f188-370267cc1a74
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MOM: Phoebe (GPink,Fla,PT,ME,WW - hides Porc)
Fur: Russian - Black
Eyes: Gerbera Pink (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Flair
Tail: Plush
Ears: Mysterious
Whiskers: White (Shape: Guitar)

DAD: Draven (POdySorbet,Fla,PT,BBE,MW)
Soft Exposure 88 - Plum
Fur: Genesis - Coco
Eyes: Genesis Sunshine (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Big)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)


i know the rank of order has the ruddy just 1 step past the choch. but its also got the * next to it which means is not 100% correct, or may be close to it anyway.....
my question is shouldnt that have pulled the choch if the rank was right or did it just manage to pull a higher trait because my chocolate's hiding a higher fur?

only reason im asking is im rather new to this still and trying to understand completely whats going on.... and maybe this would help set the rank of that fur better as well for other breeders?
any input i would greatly appreciate it!

Thor

[Liriel Garnet]

(03-14-2012 04:01 PM)draughir Resident Wrote:  I know its not a exact math but i am trying to pull the Snowshoe - Chocolate from this pair and it pulled the ruddy instead....


Thor

Hi Thor!
A quick assessment would make it appear as tho the Aby Ruddy fur is one step more dominant than the Snow Chocolate rather than one step more recessive. HOWEVER -- and that's a very big however -- unless we know for sure that the Snow Chocolate is not hiding a more recessive fur, then it's not definitive.

A couple of questions:
1) has I'm Sexy ever had a box with a fur more recessive than the chocolate (not counting the ruddy which is in question, of course)?

2) if you look further back in I'm Sexy's pedigree, do you see a more recessive fur, especially one that would match a fur that fits with the answer to #1?

With answers to those, we can take a closer look. Also, a definitive test would be to breed the box with a more recessive fur a couple of times to see if you can pull the
Snow Choccy back from under the Aby Ruddy.

hope that helps!

[draughir Resident]

Thanks for the reply and kinda what i was thinking, sadly i dont know the full bio of im sexy .... im going to give it 1 more go and see what the next box pops out and go from there first, and if it pulls another ruddy then i WILL def pull one box and pair with a more dominate fur and see what comes out that way, ill keep you posted....

again thank you for all the help thats why i asked cause im still learning.

[draughir Resident]

Thanks for the reply and kinda what i was thinking, sadly i dont know the full bio of im sexy .... im going to give it 1 more go and see what the next box pops out and go from there first, and if it pulls another ruddy then i WILL def pull one box and pair with a more dominate fur and see what comes out that way, ill keep you posted....

again thank you for all the help thats why i asked cause im still learning.

[draughir Resident]

sorry miss type....

[Sanura Snowpaw]

I've gotten Ruddy from a pair of Snowshoe Chocolates so the Ruddy has to be more recessive then the Snowshoe Chocolate.

[Tad Carlucci]

Given Sanura's proof of dominance in the previous posting, here is every provable statement I glean from the OP pedigree:

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Kitten
Eyes: Hides Key Lime or better
Shade: Hides Illume or better
Tail: Hides Frisky or better
Ears: Hides Mysterious or better

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Father I'm Sexy and I Glow It!
Fur: Hides Ruddy or bettter
Eyes: Hides Key Lime or better
Eye Shape: Hides Mysterious
Tail: Hides Frisky or better
Whiskers: Hides White or better

Paternal Grandmother Blue 3
Fur: May hide Ruddy or better
Eyes: Hides Key Lime or better

Paternal Grandfather Jeans 3
Fur: May hide Ruddy or better
Eyes: Hides Key Lime or better

Either one, or both, paternal grandparents must hide Fur: Ruddy or better

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Mother Ruddy Sunshine
Eyes: Hides Gerbera Pink or better
Shade: Hides Flair
Whiskers: Hides White or better

Maternal Grandmother Phoebe
Fur: Hides Ruddy or better
Eye Shape: Hides Mysterious
Pupil: Hides Small

Maternal Grandfather Draven
Fur: Hides Ruddy or better
Eye Shape: Hides Mysterious
Pupil: Hides Small
Tail: Hides Plush or better
Ears: Hides Mysterious or better

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The stated goal was to breed for Fur. Breeding these two parents will produce:

Snowshoe Chocolate hiding Ruddy or better: 50% odds
Ruddy: 25% odds
Ruddy or better: 25% odds
Possible fourth gene, Ruddy or better: 0% odds

[draughir Resident]

here is the 2nd breeind of the same pair......

New Born Kitten

Fur: Abyssinian - Ruddy
Eyes: Genesis Sunshine (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Flair
Tail: Frisky
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)
Size: Normal

Version: 1.18
Owner: draughir Resident
ID: a6a00d50-a2ee-eca2-e193-5648503d605f
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MOM: Ruddy Sunshine
Fur: Abyssinian - Ruddy
Eyes: Genesis Sunshine (Shape: Mysterious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Natural
Tail: Plush
Ears: Mysterious
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)

DAD: I'm Sexy and I Glow It!
Fur: Snowshoe - Chocolate
Eyes: Key Lime (Shape: Curious | Pupil: Small)
Shade: Illume
Tail: Genesis
Ears: Genesis
Whiskers: Silver (Shape: Guitar)

[Tad Carlucci]

Funny thing about flipping a coin. You may WANT Heads but the coin can stubbornly refuse to throw anything but Tails!

Just because the odds are 50% that you'll get that Snowshoe Chocolate hiding Abyssinian Ruddy you say you want doesn't mean you'll get it in the first, or even second, third, fourth ... box. It's random. And that means it won't just flip Heads, then Tails, then Heads ... you can get surprisingly long runs of Tails ... but the AVERAGE, over a large number of tosses is 50% Heads/50% Tails. This is the same as other posts where one suddenly gets a long string of Males when they want a Female.

If you still want that Snowshoe Chocolate hiding Abyssinian Ruddy from this pair, keep at it, sometime it should pop out for you.