Give those "Teen-kitties" a boost of love! (Faster breeding)

[Lixy Byron]

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[Saga Felix]

I am eagerly watching as so many people voice their opinion and agree to this thread.... hoping SO much that we will be heard <3

Just yesterday I was talking to a group of meeroos-people, and we talked about the declining market etc., and I mentioned that I have given up on earning any money on my meeroos - that I instead participate in the KittyCats-market and hope to earn some of my "food-money" there.

-It was amazing how many commented to that and said stuff like "I tried the KittyCatS, but I don't have the patience for them". THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO AVOID WITH THIS SUGGESTION! :O
In this meeroo-group with several thousand members, people sat there and said that the KittyCatS are cute, but take a hell of a lot of patience because of the slow breeding! And I was all like "Awww damn, I wish I could say something that would make some of all these people TRY KittyCatS, instead of scaring them away!"....

To be very blunt and honest... NOW is the time!!! People are swapping from one breedable to the other just these days, the biggest breedable in SL is in crisis, and we - in OUR community - could attract some of all the ones looking for new, cute pets to breed... If "the word on the street" wasn't that "KittyCatS take too much patience"....

Please... Do us and yourselves a favour, give us faster breeding, and let us go out with the message to these people that KittyCatS no longer take the dreaded 14 days wait-time. I assure you you wouldn't regret it ;-)

*hugs*
Saga

[Ethereal Hurricane]

The reason why the wait time is there, also helps to keep the market alive, recessive fur prices would go down drastically if you could get a new cat every couple of days. You said you're here to get some food money, by asking for what you are asking, that would be the opposite effect.

The other downside, sometimes people are more willing to buy a cat because its closer to being able to breed. If you remove that factor, you might also miss out on potential sales.

I'd love to be able to breed my new baby cat sooner, but by doing so, I'd just get another baby cat, then another, then another, then I have 50 cats, and if I sell them, thats 50 more cats on the market. Now imagine everyone else doing the exact same.

[Saga Felix]

I can easily imagine that, Ethereal. It is how most other breedables work, except for many of those it only takes 5 days from birth to first breed, not 7.

Of course there are both upsides and downsides to that - 5 days, 7 days, 10 days, 14 days, all have pros and cons. But believing that good breeding would mean less because it went faster? Nope, you can't convince me of that. Quite the opposite, actually. -I firmly believe that if breeding was faster, GOOD breeding would mean more, and sheer dumb luck by pulling whatever from a starter would mean less.

Besides, I never said "every couple of days", or that I am "here to get food money". You are twisting my words. If you mean to discuss this topic, it would be great if you would avoid that.

Saga

[Ethereal Hurricane]

I'm not twisting your words, I'm responding you how I thought they were implied. You said food money in your own topic, I read it, and responded to how I interpreted it. It's not my job to convince you why or how your change would make things better, you're the one wanting the change.

Secondly, I never said anything about good or bad breeding, I'm speaking only from the perspective of having even more cats flooding into the market, that's it.

*edit*

I want more cats too, but I don't want my cat's value to go down and suffer as a direct result. I'm not interested in how cute the cats are, I'm interested in protecting investments. Not just mine, but anyone who is a serious breeder.

[Nenya Eun]

Actually the first suggestion that was made here, was to make the kittens start gaining love as soon as they are unpacked, not to make them have boxes more often.

If they were able to make boxes at 7 days old (and maybe stop at 110 days instead of 120, though that would not change much in my opinion), we would avoid the 14 days wait that frustrates both 'old' and 'new' breeders.

So each cat would be able to have one more box during their life time, than they already have now.

Nen

[anna Acanthus]

I too fail to see that this measure would in any way perturb the secondary market, nor the implementation of it result in the production of kitties every couple of days.
Also in my case at least i think if i could have more chance of knowing if a special was a "dud" fur in 1 week rather than 2 i may feel encouraged to buy more specials than i do, and might go buy a second lot a week later. As it is i never splurge much on the new releases.
For starters in general i'm sure many of us would be more likely to have another go if we only had to wait 1 week for results instead of this rather discouraging 2.

Even if the more well-off breeders can get their first OS down to 5 days with potions it'd all even out the same as now for everyone luck-wise and dynamise the market a bit. Ok there would be a slight exponential increase in production for the "lucky" breeders but if things were less static than they are right now then more ppl would have the L$ to buy in the secondary market.
* Maybe Tad or some mathy person could develop and work this out ( the exponential factor) more precisely, me and equations just don't get on even thought this must be a very simple one .

And as saga points out, this measure would certainly attract a whole lot of new clients, and probably some of the old discouraged ones back if there wasn't this negative aspect of having to wait 2 weeks for first results.
And so what if there are more kitties on the market ? This would mean more selling markets and as we all know competition is never a bad thing in a business. Fire sales will always happen and theres not much to be done about that.

A word to a few of the bigger breeders who dump prices rather fast ( usually because of an auction back-firing for them and a no or low sale ). You really aren't doing the business hence yourselves any good at all by undercutting each time on the new recessive furs. You'll be just as well off selling 1 for say 20K as 3 for 9K, the market will hold better and people will be more encouraged to invest as they know that their investment will be more solid and they'll have time to get some money back from it. So please, a bit more responsibility and also you'll get clients back who don't buy your kitties anymore simply on principal, even though they are cheap. The biz as a whole will profit and yourselves as well.

Most of those who hold out for higher prices aren't doing this out of greed, but to try keep the Biz as a whole, running and healthy, it's a much more intelligent, responsable and thought out attitude. Kudos to them.

[Tad Carlucci]

I don't have any data on the differences between first-birth rules. But I do have scads of data for Meeroo populations, which have a short first-nest period. For Meeroos, one or two major new traits basically stop the systemic decline. More than that probably cause an increase. From what I've seen, and assuming the rest of the (Rather Substantial) differences don't matter, a "short first-nest" cycle has what I'd call "moderate" effect, which appears linear on the number of new traits being discovered (at least for relatively small numbers...see another thread for more about THAT!) rather than exponential.

[Ethereal Hurricane]

The problem is, right now, as all of you have stated in other threads, people aren't buying cats. What would happen if we introduced even more cats into the market? There would be even more fire sales. Which we all agree are bad, why ask for something that would directly cause even more.

Sure, the wait time is a pain in the butt sometimes, but it serves a purpose IMO. I honestly don't feel it should be lowered at all. Next people will complain that you had to wait 7 days, or 5 days, or 1 day to breed your first cats.

And from my short lived time with Meeroos, getting a bunch of Meeroos quickly meant you could sacrifice them or whatever to your Meeroo hud and get a bunch of points or something? Which effected your breeding luck or something like that. In kittycats, getting a ton of extra boxes doesn't really do much for you, other than get you a few points for menagerie, with which you have to menagerie a ton to actually afford enough for some food/milk that will only feed your all cats for half a day tops.

Everyone here I can assuming is a good breeder, and cares a lot about cats. I've seen some of your passion in replies to some of my posts. But lets face facts, despite how much you may or may not love the cats, and live in a world where there is no wrongdoing, and everyone makes perfect choices, however, this is not that world. People do make fire sales, people do bomb cat markets, and people do ruin things, just to spite you.

Sure, in a perfect world, allowing for quicker breeding would be nice, but as I see it, it would negatively effect the market in known, or even unforeseeable ways. I think we all can at least agree, even if you don't agree with me at all, that no one wants the market to be ruined.

I've read all of your posts, and while you disagree with me, you don't really offer any positive reasons for allowing more cats, and faster breeding that would be worth the negative effects. You cant say 100% that allowing for faster breeding would be a huge boost to the kittycats economy, you're speculating. Just as I am.

No one, as far as I'm concerned, has offered any real reason that would actually cause a benefit to the kittycat market and economy, just speculation. Maybe offer some concrete facts, that WILL happen as a direct result, not just a maybe, and you'll get your change, and if they do help, I'll support it as well. ^__^

[Saga Felix]

(03-25-2012 01:28 PM)Ethereal Hurricane Wrote:  Next people will complain that you had to wait 7 days, or 5 days, or 1 day to breed your first cats.

Uhmm... Sorry, but I do not see how this is at all connected with the original suggestion in this thread.

(03-25-2012 01:28 PM)Ethereal Hurricane Wrote:  No one, as far as I'm concerned, has offered any real reason that would actually cause a benefit to the kittycat market and economy...

Well, we could of course start arguing what "real reasons" are - if they are for instance anything like the one you stated above.
-Or we could just agree to disagree ;-) That would probably be much wiser, since a repetition of the past 4 pages of arguments pro this won't make us agree more, I guess.

So yes, we do have one against this suggestion - even if you too stated it would be nice to get kittens faster, you are convinced it will completely ruin the 2nd market, as far as I understand? Well, I am convinced it won't - quite the opposite :-)

Saga