(05-25-2014 01:13 AM)anna acanthus Wrote: For the record the breeding method described here is, of course, the only method for discovering new recessive traits.
Since 2011 we have Saga's docs, with the dominance charts, a simple guide to the method and also the Trait-Talk Transcript from an information meeting that Saga gave in September 2011 ( http://kittycats.biz/forum/showthread.php?tid=2351 )
Of course she doesn't take all the credit for this and i remember Draco Nacht dropping me a NC with the known trait orders that they and a few others had already worked out sometime in summer 2011. The Nachts were giving meetings each sunday from around May/June i think to share what they had found and everyone was welcome to attend.
So this method is free for all to see and new breeders who want to take the trouble can even work out this system for themselves.
For those who have difficulty there are and have been many breeding classes to help new and older breeders understand the process.
On top of that, many breeders, including myself have gone to the time and trouble of coaching new breeders who were having difficulty understanding.
There are also a multitude of threads on this site that explain and re-explain the system and also correct the many misconceptions that seems to grow like weeds in the community.
So really, this statement that the older breeders keep their "secrets" to themselves is totally untrue and irks me and i'm sure many others too. In fact i find it hard to see how anyone could NOT find help in discovering the method.
I seem to remember you giving thanks to someone who first helped you out in another thread Fabio, so if they weren't teaching you this method i'm just wondering what they WERE teaching you.
However i'm sure that Google Translate is responsible for much misunderstanding and you're pretty courageous for even attempting all this in a foreign language that you don't speak.
** KittyCats team themselves gave no information about the breeding system and we had to work it all out for ourselves but that was part of the fun and excitement of that first year.
First, Anna, just want to thanks for confirming one of the useful methods to discover new recessive traits as stated by the original OP's posts. There are few points you mentioned above that I would like to address in an open-minded discussion.
1. Not all people will be available for the schedule on breeding class on Second Life. For what I have researched so far. There are only 2 classes availabe at present. One is at Too Adorable, the other is at The ScratchN and Post. However, we are all from different time zone. So not all new breeders could make it to attend the only 2 available classes.
2. If you have noticed, there has no "Search" function in this forum. So in order for new breeders to search specific topics, apparently it is very difficult. As we all have real life priorities, to go through all threads and read all available resources about breeding different topics are quite impossible without a "Search" function.
3. Not saying that friendly memebers not helping new breeders, however, not all older breeders will right away to tell you using 9T recessive traits kitty to start with starter kitty.
4. When I re-read this thread again, I have noticed what the OP's purpose to post this thread, is to provide a "visual" references to prove the theory of how to discover hidden traits faster way. All the OP has done was to proof using recessive traits to pair with starter kitties as well as the OP seems just want to contribute to the forum with another way by using images and his own testing results and statistics.
5. Everyone learning ability is different, also more difficult for people who doesn't read, write or speak English. I see what the OP has done with a great deal of work with time and patience to use the translator. I applause for that efforts. By seeing that, I would think the OP simply just like all kittycats members, just enjoy the fun of breeding out Kittycats.
6. I would just humblely suggest that just enjoy and have fun and have friendly discussion and share openly on the forum.
Discovering hidden traits in kittens started using recessive traits!!
