DOn't Say HIDE!?!

[Nocshadue Balbozar]

I'm not sure if your last reply was referring to my post, but I'll try to answer what I think your question is as best as I can. I think what you are asking is this "If I have a kitten I want to sell, and it's not showing FUR A, but one of it's parents DOES show FUR A, how do I label it?" In that case, I personally feel it is safe to say that it hides FUR A or better, assuming that FUR A is recessive to the fur that is showing on the kitten.

I know it gets confusing, and good for you for trying to be extra careful in labeling your cats you want to sell.

So let's take a look at a bengal black example. Bengal Black is dominant to Foxie Salt & Pepper and I have a few that show Bengal Black and hide the Foxie Salt & Pepper. When I breed them together..two kities showing bengal black, now and then I'll get a kitteh showing the foxie salt & pepper. That kitten that shows the foxie salt & pepper CANNOT hide the bengal black because it's showing the more recessive fur.

If I took one of my bengal blacks that is hiding the foxie salt & pepper and put it with a nice bali cream and I got a bali cream kitten, then what? Well, one way to go would be to say "COULD" hide bengal black or... "hides bengal black or foxie salt & pepper" or.. "hides bengal black or better" or.. "bengal black mom or dad". See I can't be sure it hides bengal black since I can't tell without breeding it out myself whether my bengal black passed the shown or hidden fur.

Personally, I just turn on the pedigree links on my boxes and label them for what they show usually.

"if it is dominant in the ped it will pass still if paired with more of the same???"

I'm not sure what you're asking here, but I'll reiterate that when you breed two cats, they each pass on 1 trait per slot. Let's use shades as an example. You have a boy showing twinkle and in his pedigree, parents both show glitter, grandparents show twinkle and glitter. Lets say you have his sister too and are going to breed them together so her pedigree is the same. So you breed them and get a kitten showing twinkle. Even though there is glitter in the pedigree, that kitten cannot hide glitter because twinkle is more recessive and that's what the kitten is showing.

Now..here's where it gets confusing.. if you took that kitten showing twinkle and mated it with a cat that is showing or hiding glitter...you could make a kitten with glitter, because the twinkle is more recessive it would let the glitter show. But the cat showing twinkle, has no glitter in it, even though it's in it's pedigree..what shade if any will show in kittens the twinkle cat makes will depend on what it's partnered with. If you put the twinkle cat with a partner showing flash shade, the twinkle would show (assuming the twinkle cat doesn't have a more recessive shade lurking), it's all about what is recessive to what.

So the fact that the twinkle cat has glitter in it's pedigree has nothing to do with it passing glitter. It allows glitter to show if bred with a glitter cat because twinkle is the more recessive shade. If that cat's grandparents has shown twinkle and illume, the twinkle cat would still allow glitter to show on it's offspring.

I really hope that made some kind of sense. It's late and now my brain is fried. But there are some really awsome people that contribute to the forum here who can maybe say it better =o)

Hope I helped some.