Develop a new, FREE use, Kittycats' Profiler and Market pages

[Cloe Osterham]

(01-18-2017 09:25 PM)JenniferShelby Resident Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 04:12 PM)Cloe Osterham Wrote:  Jennifershelby, a profiler wouldn't need support tickets as it would function on it's own (unless you go with this new interactive one people are talking about). They would provide detailed instructions with their profiler just as with all other KC products. Space and hosting is not as expensive or complicated as you may think (they probably already have plenty of space). Advertisements are nothing more than the tiniest bit of code at the bottom, side, top or where ever they would so choose, if they would even want to do that (it wouldn't bother anyone so hopefully they would consider). I think KittyCats would prefer to provide a service to their customers that would hold up the integrity of their standards and cause less complaints. People in the community would not feel bullied or have to be fearful of their profilers being shut down (never happened to me, just stating facts). I think it would be a great idea for these reasons and I am sure Kitty Cats have this on their minds. I agree nothing is free nor should it be just for the time etc. The cost of the profilers would outweigh the intial setup, which again, not as complicated as you may think (at least not for the web programmers). I don't think there were a ton of support tickets for the other profiler. I think he may have had to help a few because of the auction feature. I don't think kc needs to make a complicated interactive profiler, rather a simple profiler that pulls from the database that already exists. Pretty much what's already being pulled from the other profilers.

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(01-18-2017 11:14 AM)Lixy Byron Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 10:59 AM)HappyDaize Resident Wrote:  .. and it would be entirely under Kittycats control. People would not be buying a product only to have it shut down & their $ wasted. The basic script to display pedigrees in world is already there, it's a matter of putting it into a nicely formatted display product. If KC were to do this, provide their own pedigree & traits profile board to their customers, then it eliminates a lot of the issues that apparently have frustrated so many people.

about "buyig a product only to have it shut down & their $ wasted" are still rumors, until i will see proofs

It did actually shut down for a few days and most of us who purchased them are not using them now because Callie has not given the okay for this.

She doesn't have to give the ok he removed her images which where infringed works! The names i am almost sure can't be copyrighted because they are technically real furs and due to there generic nature of them. At this point its completely ok to use the profilers! There nothing being infringed! As far as using the data from the servers goes! I don't see how that could be infringement because there is no terms regarding its use. its open to the public if he was bypassing some sort of security then thats another ball game... but with out a terms of use and with out any type of security or encryption. Then that information is free to be used how ever.

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(01-18-2017 06:29 PM)Reven Rosca Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:24 PM)JenniferShelby Resident Wrote:  The first thing they need to do is create a data base! Then they need to find a provider to upload said data base! Then they have extra bandwidth and storage cost not to mention hosting fee's.

Umm.. They already have the database. It's called the cattery/pedigree, and they already have a provider. It's hosted right here on kittycats.ws
The extra bandwidth to serve the profilers that must be paid? Guess what? That's the bandwidth that the third party profilers use today, and they aren't paying for the services they take from KittyCats.

Perhaps it won't be as expensive as you think?

They do yes and no they could upgrade the data base they have now thought.. not sure how viable that is where talking about adding a TON of information and then making it search able then having a system setup where it display's the cats to the general public + having a HTML interface anyone can get into! The pedigree we have now while amazing! is still kinda limited think about when you go to search for a cat in your own cattery... that kinda stuff wouldn't really work for a search able database people would expect more streamline and faster. It make more since to create a new data base even then. Someone needs to maintain it... there is increase storage and traffic cost... because a web market would be sending more data to and from the cats!! and people listing said cats and buying said cats... and the storage needed to hold the tables of what cats where for sale. It wouldn't be as simple as just tacking it on to what we have now. Its a lot to do from a working stand point. I really personally prefer to see Kittycats focus more on updating the tools we have letting someone else fill the void!.

JenniferShelby, I guess the difference for me is a matter of respect for all of the people in the community and kittycats. If there are people in this great community that are being verbally abused, mistreated, etc. by a third party vendor, why would I want to support that? I would rather support a product that is streamlined directly from the source and one that I know would always be available for use. This was all about profit and before you tell me it wasn't...then why is he not a breeder in kc? If you are making a product to benefit the community you would most likely be involved in the community. I would not make a product, treat some of my customers terrible, and then expect them to keep eating crow. This is why kittycats stepped in because it takes from the community and they do not want to see their customers treated like this. I am not going to get into that talk because that is between kittycats and the third party vendor, but the product is from the kittycats database period. If the company finds that a third party is hurting their business and being abusive towards customers then they have the right to step in at this point. It is their product and they have the right to do everything in their power to protect the integrity of their product and their customers. I breed kittycats, so if they come out publicly and state they do not support this product, or it's use, then I will not use it because my support is for kittycats. I would be happy if they made a profiler of their own and I would be just fine if they didn't. Kittycats did fine before the profilers and I believe they will do just fine after them. You keep talking about traffic and storage costs and most of this cost is already there. I am sure kittycats have plenty of bandwidth for the traffic and storage. This traffic is flowing constantly on the website as it is. You are making this sound so complicated when really it is not. I think kittycats could focus on both of these things you speak of. The updates are already amazing! The information is already there and can be pulled for a simple profiler with ease. They do not even need to get into the secondary market if they make a simple profiler that has the cat and its location, this is already there. No price needed. Add an additional page with a nice search feature. They can add a field to the database so im not sure where you came to that conclusion. Think about the hub and the new features that were added. It would be faster and more streamlined coming from the source. You do not need to have a whole new database and as far as being maintained....it already is.