(05-29-2012 03:57 PM)Tad Carlucci Wrote: (05-29-2012 11:47 AM)Liriel Garnet Wrote: If *both* parents have a curious eye hiding myst and the curious shows, it's actually a 2/3 chance for the myst to be hiding
To be accurate: the odds in this case are actually only 50%. One parent gives curious. The other gives either curious or mysterious. The fact that you don't know which parent passed the visible curious does not effect the odds for the hidden.
I can see how this mistake is made to arrive at 2-in-3 odds. But to actually get 2-in-3 odds, one parent would have to pass both the hidden and the visible allele; which is not possible.
Which leads to one of my pet peeves for claims .. odds which have either a numerator or a denominator which is not a power of 2. Such as the 2-in-3 odds claimed above.
Actually it is accurate *with* the proviso that I stated, that the curious eye shows. the possibilities for mating two curious hiding mysterious are as follows:
CC, Cm, Cm, mm
if the mysterious shows, we know it's the mm. If the curious shows, there are three possibilities, two of which hide the mysterious, thus if curious shows, there's a 2/3 chance the mysterious eye hides.
(05-29-2012 03:46 PM)Brunabug Nightfire Wrote: I am glad to see this topic. Just the other day I saw someone posting that there was a Toy Balinese Lilac Lynx kitten box up for auction. Come to find out after looking at the box information it was only a Toy Bengal Snow and it's father was a Balinese Lilac Lynx.
I just dont get how or why people make such a big deal about the hidden traits in the really recessive furs, eyes, tails, ears etc... I personally like to see traits and not worry so much about the hidden traits. We all know that there is always something more recessive behind anything that is not a genesis trait. And if you spend the time to pull that hidden trait it is worth far more than taking the credit for something that may be hidding or not.
Completely agree with you about the 'bait and switch' type of advertising. It's wrong and it will eventually damage your reputation for being someone that your potential buyers can trust. If you're in this for the long haul, cheating people and/or advertising one thing and having another is just not smart.
As for why the hidden traits are important, many times they are the traits that we're trying to actually breed out.
(05-30-2012 08:26 AM)Kayleigh McMillan Wrote: It seems important to me, eventhough this might be in conflict with KC's policy to not give away how the KittyCatS genetics work, if there would be given some facts by them on this forum.
Such as asking the breeder for a pedigree sign if you are in doubt and asking someone you trust to help you with analysing a pedigree with you if you can't interpret it.
Maybe the time, now more than a year later, has shown this to be needed because there can be a lot of money involved with obtaining cats.
And it is in nobody's interest if people don't receive what they think they have obtained.
I think it is important new people at least have access to official facts given by KC before they obtain cats.
Simple things such as can a cat hide something or not, or is it possibly hiding it etc., maybe even with a reference to Saga's docs.
Some convenient and understandable guidelines for people just so they know what they should be aware of before they obtain a cat from a 3rd party.
I'm not sure if this is at all possible within KC's policy but I think this is needed to protect customer and seller.
And also to avoid people are pointed at as being a bad seller because everyone can know what to be aware of before they sell or obtain a cat.
And this might generate more tolerance towards the new breeders who obviously, without a bad intention, can make mistakes when they have just started to sell their cats.
Callie has a package that she will give to people (I assume she still does, she gave me one many moons ago) that includes some of the facts about traits that saga gathered from equi and other sources, along with the trait talk transcript that's on saga's site and a link to her charts.
You make another excellent point as well... if you're buying a cat and you cannot see what the person is claiming in the pedigree, then ask questions.... ask the seller for more data, talk to one of the numerous people on this forum who have offered to help in a situation like this. I know that I get a fair number asking me to verify whether something could be or not. I'm happy to help because I think false claims hurt everyone.
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