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RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Tad Carlucci - 09-20-2012 09:38 AM
Delete something from inventory is one which comes immediately to mind. Anyone can do that.
There is also always a risk that some bright kid will figure a way to modify other stuff.
The point is, you not only don't know .. you can NEVER know.
But falling back to known-good, trusted sources eliminates the risk.
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Kayleigh McMillan - 09-20-2012 09:42 AM
(09-20-2012 09:38 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote: Delete something from inventory is one which comes immediately to mind. Anyone can do that.
There is also always a risk that some bright kid will figure a way to modify other stuff.
The point is, you not only don't know .. you can NEVER know.
But falling back to known-good, trusted sources eliminates the risk.
Nods I see your point in normal use though I see no way to abuse the cats.
Yes one can sell a box or cat via content sale instead of original and in this case we need to file a ticket anyway I assume.
Deleting an object or script from the content of a no mod items is I believe not possible.
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Tad Carlucci - 09-20-2012 09:43 AM
Remember, the point is not simply to give tips and tricks, the point is to give the best possible advice which works in the broadest case. Yes, a change to low-prim and back will solve the specific case talked about in the other thread .. because the error was from our this-time-not-so-good known and trusted source.
Actually, deleting from a no-mod object seemed to work just fine a couple weeks ago when I tested it.
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Kayleigh McMillan - 09-20-2012 09:53 AM
(09-20-2012 09:43 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote: ...
Actually, deleting from a no-mod object seemed to work just fine a couple weeks ago when I tested it.
I did this a while ago as I had this handheld flag with an animation + script which constantly IM-ed me if I liked to be animated by it while I just wanted to display it in world.
I tried to delete the content to have a non spamming flag in world and eventhough I could delete it, I lacked the rights as it was no mod and the deleted content came back again or was never gone I don't remember.
But anyway the content can be taken in inventory either way by opening the object like how we would unpack a purchase this is possible with a no mod object as well.
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Tad Carlucci - 09-20-2012 10:07 AM
If the container is no-mod and the inventory is copy, you get the warnings, it appears to go away for a second, then comes back. But if the inventory is no-copy, it's gone. You can also drag it to inventory; but, of course, you can't put it back.
The point is: Second Life's security options often don't work, are variable in their efficacy, and often don't work as one would expect .. sometimes with surprising results. In this environment, it's possible that some bright lad might find a way .. and has, in the past.
* Tad Carlucci WHACKS the thread.
Sorry for letting myself get derailed.
What about this idea?
My example Hiding Seal Lynx and Cream Tabby just made a box girl box and, of course, I'm gonna swap her in to raise my odds of visible success from 0% to 25%.
So I pop the box.
Now, normally, I'd feed the kitty for a week to get it old enough. Meanwhile, mom and dad would be cooking another box in the hopes of getting another daughter to go with the unusable sons I've been getting; letting me get another line cooking and raising my chances.
But, then, I'll have to wait another week while the kitten, and her dad, both gain love.
Food recovery takes a week.
Why the HECK am I feeding the kitten that first week?
If I put her on pet food (or starve her?) and only start her on breedable food level once mom and dad produce that box, I've saved on a week's worth of food for one cat. She can be recovering from pet food (or getting well?), for the second week.
Or am I forgetting something?
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - dakillakm Resident - 09-20-2012 11:41 AM
hmm interesting idea, although I guess in the back of our minds we might feel bad for the herd of less than a week old starving kitties in our inventories XD But this could work I would think...
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Sara Franco - 09-20-2012 12:03 PM
(09-20-2012 10:07 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote: But, then, I'll have to wait another week while the kitten, and her dad, both gain love.
Food recovery takes a week.
Why the HECK am I feeding the kitten that first week?
If I put her on pet food (or starve her?) and only start her on breedable food level once mom and dad produce that box, I've saved on a week's worth of food for one cat. She can be recovering from pet food (or getting well?), for the second week.
Or am I forgetting something?
hmm that might be a good idea but one kitty in a week eats food only worth 170/4 = 42.5 Lindens.
The starving idea is not as good, from my experience, at first day till the hunger drops from 100% to 0% sick cats eat what worth 3 days of food, so you saved only 5 days of food which is only 30 Lindens.
Maybe it would have a better effect if you do that for many kittens not one.
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Kayleigh McMillan - 09-20-2012 12:18 PM
yay! that's just freaking awesome Tad!
Only thing is I hate to mark calendars to not forget to set breedable food on LOL
My subtitle "Lazy Cat" might explain
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Tad Carlucci - 09-20-2012 01:32 PM
Yeah, it's not a lot of bang-for-the-buck on a onesy-twosy basis.
But, over the course of a year, with thousands of cats, it could add up. It might make the difference between being profitable or not. It might let you undercut others but just enough to get a few more sales.
The "game", as I see it, is two-fold.
First, and foremost, the goal of the breeding process is to device processes and procedures which reduce, if not eliminate, randomness from your results. (It's the fact that this is quite possible, along with proper management of the starter lotteries, which bring breedables out of "lottery land" and into compliance with the LL ToS.)
Next, is the careful management of resources, such as time, money, prim-space, to minimize your expenses and maximize enjoyment and, hopefully, for many, profit (or, at least, for the vast majority of us, minimize losses).
Calenders suck. Even though we all have one which will pop up appointment reminders, how many of us actually USE them?
On the other hand .. seeing that week-old kitten on Pet Food Recovery (or sick in its blanket) might actually aid you in remembering you actually have important plans for her.
It's all in how you look at it
Talking about the actual processes is good.
But let's not forget that one of the biggest problems we all have is ourselves! We don't just want procedures which help get better cats. We also need some which help us overcome our own foibles and failings.
RE: Breeders Tips Tricks and Advice - Liriel Garnet - 09-21-2012 07:45 AM
(09-20-2012 10:07 AM)Tad Carlucci Wrote: If the container is no-mod and the inventory is copy, you get the warnings, it appears to go away for a second, then comes back. But if the inventory is no-copy, it's gone. You can also drag it to inventory; but, of course, you can't put it back.
The point is: Second Life's security options often don't work, are variable in their efficacy, and often don't work as one would expect .. sometimes with surprising results. In this environment, it's possible that some bright lad might find a way .. and has, in the past.
* Tad Carlucci WHACKS the thread.
Sorry for letting myself get derailed.
What about this idea?
My example Hiding Seal Lynx and Cream Tabby just made a box girl box and, of course, I'm gonna swap her in to raise my odds of visible success from 0% to 25%.
So I pop the box.
Now, normally, I'd feed the kitty for a week to get it old enough. Meanwhile, mom and dad would be cooking another box in the hopes of getting another daughter to go with the unusable sons I've been getting; letting me get another line cooking and raising my chances.
But, then, I'll have to wait another week while the kitten, and her dad, both gain love.
Food recovery takes a week.
Why the HECK am I feeding the kitten that first week?
If I put her on pet food (or starve her?) and only start her on breedable food level once mom and dad produce that box, I've saved on a week's worth of food for one cat. She can be recovering from pet food (or getting well?), for the second week.
Or am I forgetting something?
I think you're forgetting that it takes a week of recovery from being sick or in pet mode before they *start* gaining love, so the kitten would still be behind dad because she wouldn't start gaining love at the same time as dad (unless you spend extra lindens on one of the vitamins, which kind of defeats the purpose of holding it out). A kitten is ready at two weeks, basically -- so mom and dad have another week to pop another box for you, then dad and daughter start re-gaining/gaining love at the same time. Of course that leaves mom without a mate
