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RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Alassariah Resident - 09-29-2016 01:11 PM
Galaxy Moon vs Odyssey Kaleidoscope gave Galaxy Moon
Birthing to test recessive eye.
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Galaxy Moon Eyes dominant to ody kaleidoscope eyes - Aramis Gontineac - 10-10-2016 03:57 AM
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Screenshot made with Grabilla
The mother, Cee, is pure ody kaleidoscope eyes. The father, Ayesha shows Strawberry Bellini eyes and hides Galaxy moon eyes and passed those eyes to the baby, who shows the Galaxy moon eyes and hides Ody Kaleidoscope eyes. CQFD
This proof has been achieved in collaboration with PurringFox McMillan who borrowed me the mum cat (Cee).
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Ivy Norsk - 10-10-2016 09:12 AM
Are you birthing the New Born? Because we can't actually see that Cee's line is pure Ody Kaleidoscope. It *could* be. But we can't see it. We need to know what the New Born's hidden is and if it is Ody Kaleidoscope then that's a proof.
Galaxy Moon Eyes versus fancy purple eyes - Aramis Gontineac - 10-10-2016 03:15 PM
hi there,
for Ayesha traits are known and prooven : strawberry Bellini with gal moon as hidden trait. For Geeha, you can see her pedigree on page 2 of this current thread (geeha gitana) : the pedigree shows only ody kaleidoscope in the background. With aeysha and geeha, i have got 2 times strawberry Bellini from the 2 first kittens. Of course they could hide a more recessive trait coming from geeha.
I am ok to test Ayesha further, or the gal moon eyes kitten, against a female HIDING fancy purple eyes which could allow us to place the gal moon eyes.
So far the ranking is now the following :
091 Straw-Bel
092-093 Fan-Purple D
092-093 Gal-Moon
094 O-Kaleidos
I do a call, if anyone has a female hiding fancy purple eyes and is ok to lend us her for testing, please contact me via notecard in SL, or contact PurringFox McMillan. Thanks in advance
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Reven Rosca - 10-10-2016 03:54 PM
Your chart does indeed prove that Galaxy Moon is recessive to Strawberry Bellini. It also proves that Galaxy Moon is Dominant to Ody Kaleidoscope or a more recessive eye. This will not be accepted as a proof against Ody Kaleidoscope unless the kitten is tested and shows Ody Kaleidoscope as its hidden eye. We know that you know that it is pure, but I'm afraid it isn't good enough for placement in the charts.
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Kayla Woodrunner - 10-10-2016 09:33 PM
Nice job on the kitten, Aramis. You said you were willing to birth the kitten to prove the the hid so looking forward to the results.
It may seem like double work to prove hids but it's necessary. Or you have to prove the purity of the parents which can take going back generations. Which would mean sending in all the charts proving the purity along with this chart in order to document the proof. It is much simpler and cleaner to pop the hid on the baby against a more recessive eye like any eye more recessive than Violet. The simple truth is hids can pass for generations. If you pop the baby's hid, you only have to send in the chart of the popped hid. That's why everyone is saying pop the hid. It's different than auction proofs -- a much more stringent criteria for dominance testing because so many people depend on the accuracy.
For example to use this proof for Ody Kaleidescope without popping the hid, you would have to send in charts to Saga to establish the purity of Grandmom Branch who now belongs to Joy and was bred by "someone else". The easiest way to prove purity is to find where Odyssey Kaleidescope got introduced into the line, hopefully from a starter. Second easiest way is if it was popped in by parent/child breeding with the parent hiding ody kaledescpe and showing more dominant and the child hiding ody kaledescope and showing more dominant -- then any child is automatically pure. How far back do you have to take the charts to get that proof?
Here is a Moss/Onyx proof. First the Moss was proven pure. (from Cee's breding on the Moss thread)
Chart 1 of 2
Post: 8/13/2016 by PurringFox McMillan
Proves Belden starter has Moss eyes hid and Baby "Pure Moss" has Moss eyes shown and hid
first right side for Kermit the dad pedigree
Kermit's Mom Belden starter has Gen Aqua shown
Dad Bob has Strawberry Bell shown
Kermit has Strawberry Bell shown, hid will be from Mom
Kermit is placed against his Mom Belden
Mom Belden starter has Gen Aqua shown
Kermit has Strawberry Bell shown
Baby has Moss eyes, Moss is both Mom Belden and Kermit's hid so Baby is pure Moss , shown and hid
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Chart 2 of 2
Post: 8/13/2016 by PurringFox McMillan
Mom Ardella shows Onyx eyes
Dad Pure Moss eyes shows and hides Moss eyes as proven in previous chart
Baby shows Onyx eyes
Moss has to be recessive to Onyx because Moss has to be hid as Dad has Moss shown and hid
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Both charts had to be sent in to Saga for the proof since 1 chart established purity and the 2nd chart was the dominance proof. If Cee had popped the Onyx baby and placed it against a more recessive eye and shown it had Moss eyes, then only one chart would need to be sent in. Purity does not matter when you pop hids.
So you can see why in dominance testing people ask to see the hid on the baby -- so much easier. Your chart is a 1-chart proof for Galaxy Moon is recessive to Strawberry Bellini because the hid was popped. However, to prove for odyssey kaledescope, it can be a many-chart proof depending on what it takes to prove Grandmom Branch and Grandpop Lush DP purity. In Dominance Testing, purity cannot be accepted by statement ("this line is pure"), it must be shown by charts when it became pure and down the line to the mom or dad and that can take a lot of charts especially if someone has been breeding the same line for awhile.
Sorry if my explanation seems too long but there might be newbie and middling dominance testers out there wondering why people always say pop the hid.
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Arwen Swordthain - 10-11-2016 08:27 AM
I currently have 3 cats showing Fancie Purple Diamond and hopefully hiding Galaxy Trip, one is open for testing (a girl) if she does indeed hide the Trip anyone testing moon is welcome to use her for dual purpose testing of moon against BOTH eyes since Moon v Trip has yet to be proven.
Unfortunately the Trip I used hides dry olive so theres a chance one or more of the 3 hides that.
Currently testing Moon against Purple Diamond won't give a result on Ody Kal unless Moon is DOMINANT to FPD then Ody Kal is a moot point
Since Trip looks recessive to FPD if Moon was Dominant that would negate the need to test those against each other, but we have to wait and see what my girlie hides
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Alassariah Resident - 10-11-2016 09:40 PM
I am testing Galaxy Trip vs Odyssey Kaleidoscope. So far, OK seems to be dominant, but it could just be my cats stubbornly throwing recessive. I am still looking for a proof.
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - PurringFox McMillan - 10-16-2016 12:57 AM
So do we have the Moon placed? I have several the csan be used if not
Cee
RE: Galaxy Moon Eyes - Any Info? - Arwen Swordthain - 10-16-2016 02:19 AM
(10-16-2016 12:57 AM)PurringFox McMillan Wrote: So do we have the Moon placed? I have several the csan be used if not
Cee
Moon currently needs proving against Fancie Purple Diamond, Odyssey Kaleidoscope and Jade.